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09/09/2009

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I think that Meursalt's reaction to Marie's proposal is strange, but it effectively embodies his persona. After stopping school and failing to provide for his mother, Meursalt has lost all ambition for himself. He knows that regardless of how he conducts himself, at the end of the day he will be in sufficient condition.

This apathetic attitude does not also embody Marie, however. She may be attracted to his disconnect and "bad boy ways" but she is actually much more ambitious and actually maintains a plan for herself. She shows this blatantly by her proposal to Meursalt, which would not be a product of apathy(41). Also, while Meursalt allows others to choose what he does for him, Marie is self-determined and actually is one of the people who tell him what to do. This occurs when she asks Meursalt to come into the water and kiss(51).

I think that Meursalt's reaction to Marie's proposal is strange, but it effectively embodies his persona. After stopping school and failing to provide for his mother, Meursalt has lost all ambition for himself. He knows that regardless of how he conducts himself, at the end of the day he will be in sufficient condition.

This apathetic attitude does not also embody Marie, however. She may be attracted to his disconnect and "bad boy ways" but she is actually much more ambitious and actually maintains a plan for herself. She shows this blatantly by her proposal to Meursalt, which would not be a product of apathy(41). Also, while Meursalt allows others to choose what he does for him, Marie is self-determined and actually is one of the people who tell him what to do. This occurs when she asks Meursalt to come into the water and kiss(51).

I think Meursault and Marie's relationship is very interesting. Marie seems to be very attached or possibly in love with Meursault and gets very upset when he says he does not think he loves her. We do not know much about her, but it's possible she has issues about being alone and therefore, wants to marry Meursault.

Meursault is indifferent to the idea of marriage and seems to want only the physical part of their relationship. This indifferent attitude Meursault portrays makes him seem like a cold-hearted person.

Marie likes the idea of Meursault or just having someone there by her side, which is kind of the same attitude Meursault has in the relationship. I do not think either one of them truly loves each other, they just do not want to be alone.

I felt the same way about Marie and Meursault's relationship. I found their relationship to be very strange. How can you have a good marriage that suppose to last if you don't have love? Meursault clearly tells Marie that he doesn't love her. "She wanted to know if I loved her. I answered the same way I had the last time, that it didn't mean anything but that I probably didn't love her(41)."
It seems like Marie is just settling. He didn't even seemed like he was enthused about marrying her. It sounded like it was just another thing on his to-do list that he could check off. The only time he ever seems happy with Marie is when "he wants her." It seems like they're only getting married because they're attracted to one another.Where's the love in their relationship?

Marriage seems to be an ultimate of sorts. It proposes the idea that a connection, emotional or physical, can last for a lifetime. Marie obviously enjoys her relationship with Meursault, and believes that through marriage it can last even longer. Neither Meursault nor Marie view marriage as an emotional bond: rather, they view it as a promise that their relationship and their attraction to each other will last forever. Because we are conditioned to believe that "love" is necessary in a relationship before marriage, we tend to question these two individuals' motives, and conclude that it is based off of a physical attraction.

I completely agree with your assessment of Marie and Meursault's relationship. However, knowing what we do about Meursault, it's not surprising at all that he was indifferent about the proposal, since he is indifferent about everything.

As for Marie, I think that girl must have some kind of backstory or childhood trauma, becuase I can't seem to find a logical reason why she would want to marry a man who has no true feelings of love for her and does not have any passion to pursue a loving marital relationship.

I think that the odd relationship between Marie and Muersault is due to Muersault's tendancy to focus only on the present. He has no concept, or interest, in his future, which explains his indifference towards marrying Marie as well as his lack of ambition at his job. In 5th period, we were discussing his relationship with Marie and how Muersault is apathetic, or lacking emotion. In my opinion, he is not apathetic. On the contrary, I think that he has very strong feelings for her currently in the novel. However, I do not think he capable, or even cares to be capable, of considering how he will feel about her in the future. Therefore, he is indifferent towards maryying her and "bnding" them together for life.

I think that Muersault's reaction to Marie was in character. He says what he truly feels. I agree with Katherine that Mersault is not apathetic, especially in regards to his sexual attraction to Marie. When he responds to Marie's question of marriage I think that He truly does not think it matters wether they get married or not. To him nothing would change.

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